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of a discussion on how GDPR impacts how customer data can be used, forcing
marketers to rethink digital-only approaches to customer outreach and relationships.
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Dana Gardner: Hi, this
is Dana
Gardner, Principal Analyst at Interarbor Solutions, and
you’re listening to BriefingsDirect.
Our next digital business innovation
discussion explores how modern marketing is impacted by the General DataProtection Regulation (GDPR). Those seeking to know their customers well are finding
that this sweeping new European Union (EU) law forces a dramatic shift in how
customer data can be gathered, shared, and protected.
And it means that low-touch
marketing by mass data analysis and inference alone likely will need to revert
to the good-old-fashioned handshake and more high-touch trust building
approaches that bind people to people, and people to brands.
Here to help us sort through a
more practical approach of rethinking marketing within the requirements of
highly protected data is Tifenn Dano Kwan,
Chief Marketing Officer at SAP Ariba. Welcome, Tifenn.
Tifenn Dano Kwan: Thank
you, Dana. Very glad to be with you.
Gardner: Now
with GDPR is fully in place, it seems that we’ve had to embrace the concept
that good privacy is good business. In doing so, it seems that marketers
have become too dependent on data-driven and digital means of interacting with
their customers and prospects.
Has GDPR done us a favor in
marketing -- maybe as an unintended consequence -- when it comes to bringing
the human relationships aspect of business back to the fore?
Marketing with soul
Dano Kwan: GDPR
is giving us the ability to remember what marketing is, and who we are as
marketers. I think that it is absolutely critical, to go back to the foundation
of what marketing is. If you think about the role of marketing in an
organization, we are a little bit of the Picassos of companies -- we are the
creative souls. We bring the soul back into an organization.
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Why? Because we control the
narrative, we control the storytelling, and we control the brands. Also, in
many ways -- especially over the past couple of years -- we control the data
because our focus is understanding the audience and our customers.
With the rise of digital over
the past couple of years, data has been the center of a lot of what marketing
has been driving. But make no mistake, marketers are creative people. Their
passion is in creating amazing stories -- to promote and support sales in the
selling process, and being, frankly, the voice of the customer.
The GDPR law is simply bringing
back to the forefront what the value of marketing is. It’s not just controlling
the data. We have to go back to what marketing really brings to the table. And
go back to balancing the data with the art, the science with the art, and
ensuring that we continue to add value to represent the voice of the customer.
Gardner: It
must have been tempting for marketers, with the data approach, to see a lot of
scalability -- that they could reach a lot more people, with perhaps less money
spent. The human touch, the high-touch can be more expensive. It doesn’t necessarily
scale as well.
Do you think that we need to
revisit cost and scale when it comes to this human and creative aspect of
marketing?
Balancing high- and low-touch points
Dano Kwan: It’s
a matter of realigning the touch points and how we consider touch points when
we drive marketing strategies. I don’t think that there is one thing that is
better than the other. It’s a matter of sequencing and orchestrating the
efforts when we run marketing initiatives.
If you think about the value
of digital, it’s really focused on the inbound marketing engine that we
have been hearing about for so many years now. Every company that wants to
scale has to build an inbound engine. But in reality, if you look at the importance
of creating inbound, it is a long-term strategy, it doesn’t necessarily provide
a short-term gain from the marketing standpoint or pipeline standpoint. It
needs to be built upon a long-term strategy around inbound searches, such as
paid media search, and so on. Those very much rely on data.
While we need to focus on
these low-touch concepts, we also need to recognize that the high-touch
initiatives are equally important.
Sometimes marketing can be
accused of being completely disconnected from the customers because we don’t
have enough face-to-face interactions. Or of creating large events without an understanding
of high-touch. GDPR is an opportunity like never before for marketers to deeply
connect with customers.
Gardner: Let’s
step back and explain more about GDPR and why the use of data has to be
reevaluated.
GDPR is from the EU, but any
company that deals with the supply chains that enter the European Union -- one
of the largest trading blocks in the world -- is impacted. Penalties can be
quite high if you don’t treat data properly, or if you don’t alert your
customers if their private data has been compromised in any way.
How does this reduce the
amount that marketers can do? What’s the direct connection between what GDPR
does and why marketers need to change?
Return to the source
Dano Kwan: It’s
a matter of balancing the origins of a sales pipeline. If you look at the
sources of pipeline in an organization, whether it’s marketing-led or sales-led,
or even ecosystem- or partner-led, everybody is specifically tracking the
sources of pipeline.
What we call the marketing mix
includes the source of the pipeline and the channels of those sources. When you
look at pure inbound strategies, you can see a lot of them coming out of
digital properties versus physical properties.
We need to understand the
impact [of GDPR] and acknowledge a drop in the typical outbound flow, whether
it’s telemarketing, inside sales, or the good-old events, which are very much
outbound-driven.
Over the next couple of months
there is going to be a direct impact on all sources of pipeline. At the very
least, we are going to have to monitor where the opportunities are coming from.
Those who are going to succeed are those who are going to shift the sources of
the pipeline and understand over time how to anticipate the timing for that new
pipeline that we generate.
We are absolutely going to have to make a shift. Some readjustment needs to happen. We need new forms of opportunities for business.
That could mean going back to old-fashioned
direct mail, believe it or not -- this is back in fashion, and this is going to
happen over again. But it also means new ways of doing marketing, such as
influencer marketing.
If you think about the value
of social media and blogs, all those digital influencers in the world are going
to have a blast, because today if you want to multiply your impact, and if you
want to reach out to your audiences, you can’t do it just by yourself. You have
to create an ecosystem and a network of influencers that are going to carry
your voice and carry the value for you. Once they do that they tap into their
own networks, and those networks capture the audiences that you are looking for.
Once those audiences are captured through the network of influencers, you have
a chance to send them back to your digital properties and dotcom properties.
We are very excited to see how
we can balance the impact of GDPR, but also create new routes and techniques, to
experiment with new opportunities. Yes, we are going to see a drop in the
traditional sources of pipeline. It’s obvious. We are going to have to readjust.
But that’s exciting, it’s going to mean more experimentation or thinking
outside of the box and reinventing ourselves.
Opportunity knocks, outside the box
Gardner: And
how is this going to be different for business-to-consumer (B2C) and business-to-business
(B2B)? We are seeing a lot influencer marketing effective for consumer and some
retail; is it just as effective in the B2B space? How should B2B marketers be
thinking differently?
Dano Kwan: I don’t
know that it’s that different, to be honest with you, Dana. I think it’s the
same thing. I think we are going to have to partner a lot more with what I call
an ecosystem of influencers, whether it be partners, analysts, press, bloggers
or very strong influencers who are extremely well-networked.
In the consumer world, the
idea is to multiply the value. You are going to see a lot more partnerships, such
as core branding initiatives that are going to rise. Or where two brands come
together, carrying the power of their message to reach up to and join
customers.
Gardner: As an
observer of SAP Ariba and over the past several years, it’s been very impactful
for me see how the company has embraced the notion of doing good and in doing well in terms of the relationship with customers and the perception of a company.
I think your customers have received this very well.
Is there a relationship
between this new thinking of marketing and the idea of being a company that’s
perceived as being a good player, a good custodian in their particular
ecosystems?
Purpose-driven pipelines
Dano Kwan: It’s a
great question, Dana. I think those two things are happening at the same time. We
are moving toward being more purposeful because the world simply is moving
toward becoming more purposeful. This is a trend we see among buyers in both the
B2C world and B2B worlds. They are extremely sensitive to those notions -
especially millennials. They look at the news and they truly worry for their
future.
The end-goal here is to remind
ourselves that companies are not just here to make a profit -- they are here to
make a difference.
GDPR is shifting the focus of
marketing within companies to where we are not just seeking data to reach out
to audiences -- but to be meaningful and purposeful when we reach out to our
customers. We must not only provide content; we have to give them something that
aligns with their values and ignites their passions.
The end goal here is to remind ourselves that companies are not just here to make a profit -- they are here to make a difference.
Gardner: Do you
think, Tifenn, that we are going to see more user conferences -- perhaps
smaller ones, more regional, more localized -- rather than just once a year?
Dano Kwan: I
think that we are going to see some readjustments. Big conferences used to happen
in Europe and North America, but think about the emerging markets, think about
Latin America, think about Asia Pacific, and Japan, think about Middle East.
All of those regions are growing, they are getting more connected.
In my organization, I am pushing
for it. People don’t necessarily want to travel long distances to go to big
conferences. They prefer local interaction and messaging. So regionalization and
localizations – from messaging to marketing activities – are going to become a
lot more prominent, in my opinion, in the coming years.
Gardner: Another
big trend these days is the power that artificial intelligence (AI) and machine learning (ML) can bring to solve many types of problems. While we might be more
cautious about what we do with data – and we might not get the same amount of
data under a GDPR regime -- the tools for what we can do with the data are much
stronger than before.
Is there some way in which we
can bring the power of AI and ML into a creative process that allows a better
relationship between businesses and consumers and businesses and businesses?
How does AI factor into the next few years in a GDPR world?
AI gets customers
Dano Kwan: AI is
going to be a way for us to get more quality control in the understanding of
the customer, definitely. I think it is going to allow us to learn about behaviors
and do that at scale.
Business technologies and
processes are going to be enabled through AI and ML; that is obvious, all of
the studies indicate it. It starts with obvious sectors and industries, but it’s
going to expand drastically because it informs more curiosity in the
understanding of processes and customers.
Gardner: Perhaps
a way to look at it would be that aggregated data and anonymized data will be
used in an AI environment in order to then allow you to get closer to your
customer in that high-touch fashion. Like we are seeing in retail, when
somebody walks into a brick-and-mortar environment, a store, you might not know
them individually, but you have got enough inference from aggregated data to be
able to have a much better user experience.
Dano Kwan: That’s
exactly right. I think it’s going to inform the experience in general, whether
that experience is communicated through marketing or via face-to-face. At the
end of the day, and you are right, the user experience affects everything that
we do. Users can get very specific about what they want. They want their
experiences to be personal, to be ethical, to be local, and regionalized. They
want them to be extremely pointed to their specific needs.
And I do believe that AI is going
to allow us to get rapidly attuned to the customer experience and constantly
innovate and improve that experience. So in the end, if it’s just the benefit
of providing a better experience, then I say, why not? Choose the tools that
offer a superior experience for our customers.
I believe that the
face-to-face approach, especially when you have complex interactions with
customers, still is going to be needed. And the face-to-face approach, the real
touch point that you have, is going to be necessary in complex engagements with
customers.
But AI can also help prepare for
those types of complex interactions. It really depends on what you sell, what
you promote. If you promote a simple solution or thing that can be triggered
online, then AI is simply going to accelerate the ability for the customer to
click and purchase.
But if you go with very
complex sales cycles, for example, that require human interactions, you can use
AI to inform a conversation and be prepared for a meeting where you have
activated data to present in front of your customer and to support whatever
value you want to bring to the customer.
Gardner: We
are already seeing that in the help-desk field where people who are fielding
calls from customers are much better prepared. It makes the agents themselves
far more powerful.
How does this all relate to
the vast amount of data and information you have in the Ariba Network,
for example? Being in a position of having a lot of data but being aware that
you have to be careful about how you use it, seems to me the best of all
worlds. How does the Ariba Network and the type of data that you can use safely
and appropriately benefit your customers?
Be prepared, stay protected
Dano Kwan: We
have done extensive work at the product level within SAP Ariba to prepare for
GDPR. In fact, our organization is one of the most prepared from a GDPR
standpoint not only to be compliant but to offer solutions that are enabling
our customers to themselves become compliant from a GDPR standpoint.
That’s one of the strengths [that
comes] not just from Network, but also [from] the solutions that we bring to
the industry and to our customers.
The Ariba Network has a lot of
data that is specific to the customer. GDPR is simply reinforcing the fact that
data has to be protected, that all companies, including SAP Ariba -- and all
supply chain and procurement organizations in the world -- have to be prepared for it, to work toward respect of privacy, consent, and ensuring that the data
is used in the right way. SAP Ariba is absolutely partnering with all the
suppliers and buyers in the network and preparing for this.
Gardner: If
you’re a marketing executive and you weren’t necessarily thinking about the full
impact of GDPR, do you have some advice now that you have thought this through? What
should others who are just beginning that process be mindful of?
Ensuring that GDPR is well understood by suppliers and agencies -- from a marketing point of view -- is critical.
But the positioning with the
external contributors to your business is also critical. So ensuring that GDPR is
well understood with the external suppliers as well as agencies, from a
marketing standpoint, and then all the partners that you have is equally important.
Prepare by doing a lot of
knowledge transfer on what GDPR is, what its impact is, and what’s in it for
each constituent of the business. Also, explore how people can connect and
communicate with customers. Learn what they can do, what they can’t do. This has
to be explained in a very simple way and has to be explained over and over and
over again because what we are seeing is that it’s new for everyone. And one
launch is not enough.
Over the next couple of months
all companies are going to have to heavily invest in regular knowledge-transfer
sessions and training to ensure that all of their customer-facing teams -- inside
the organization or outside -- are very well prepared for GDPR.
Gardner: I’m
afraid we’ll have to leave it there. You’ve been listening to a sponsored
BriefingsDirect discussion on how the sweeping new European Union law GDPR
forces a dramatic shift in how customer data can be gathered, shared, and
protected.
And we have learned how low-touch
marketing will likely revert to include more of the good old-fashioned
handshake and personal trust-building methods that bind people to people -- and
people to brands.
So, a big thank you to our
guest, Tifenn Dano Kwan, Chief Marketing Officer at SAP Ariba. Thank you so
much, Tifenn.
Dano Kwan: Thank
you very much, Dana.
Gardner: And a
big thank you to our audience as well for joining this BriefingsDirect digital
business innovation interview.
I’m Dana Gardner, Principal
Analyst at Interarbor Solutions, your host throughout this series of SAP Ariba-sponsored
BriefingsDirect discussions. Thanks again for listening, and do come back next
time.
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