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Dana Gardner: Hi,
this is Dana Gardner, Principal
Analyst at Interarbor Solutions,
and you’re listening to BriefingsDirect.
Our next IT operations strategy panel discussion explores how the IT4IT[tm]
Reference Architecture for IT management creates demonstrated business
benefits – in many ways, across many types of organizations.
Gardner |
Since its delivery
in 2015 by The Open Group, IT4IT has focused on defining, sourcing, consuming, and managing
services across the IT function’s value
stream to its stakeholders. Among its earliest
and most ardent users are IT vendors, startups, and global professional
services providers.
To learn more about how this
variety of highly efficient businesses and their IT organizations make the most
of IT4IT – often as a complimentary mix of frameworks and methodologies -- we
are now joined by our panel:
- Lars Rossen, Fellow at Micro Focus, in Copenhagen;
- Mark Bodman, Senior Product Manager at ServiceNow, in Austin;
- John Esler, Client Principal at Hewlett Packard Enterprise (HPE) Pointnext, in Denver;
- Rob Akershoek, IT Architect at Fruition Partners, a DXC Technology Company, in Amsterdam;
- Varun Vijaykumar, Associate General Manager and ITSM Architect at HCL Technologies, in Raleigh-Durham, and
- Jerrod Bennett, CEO and Co-Founder at Dreamtsoft, in San Diego.
Welcome to you all. Big trends
are buffeting business in 2019. Companies of all kinds need to attain digital
transformation faster, make their businesses more intelligent and responsive
to their markets, and improve end user experiences. So, software development,
applications lifecycles, and optimizing how IT departments operate are more
important than ever. And they need to operate as a coordinated team, not in
silos.
Lars, why is the
IT4IT standard so powerful given these requirements that most businesses
face?
One framework to rule them all
Rossen |
There are many other frameworks. They
are often very process-oriented, or capability-oriented. But IT4IT gives you a
framework that underpins it all. Every IT organization needs to have such a
framework in place and be rationalized and well-integrated. And IT4IT can deliver
that.
Gardner: And
IT4IT is designed to help IT organizations elevate themselves in terms of the
impact they have on the overall business.
Mark, when you encounter
someone who says IT4IT, “What is that?” What’s your elevator pitch, how do you
describe it so that a lay audience can understand it?
Bodman |
If it’s an individual
contributor in one of the value streams,
I say it’s a broader framework than what you are doing. For example, if they are
a DevOps guy, or a maybe a Scaled Agile Framework (SAFe)
guy, or even a test engineer, I explain that it’s a more comprehensive
framework. It goes back to the nature of IT4IT being a hub of many different frameworks
-- and all designed as one architecture.
Gardner: Is
there an analog to other business, or even cultural, occurrences that IT4IT is
to an enterprise?
Rossen: The
analogy I have is that you go to The Lord of the
Rings, and IT4IT is the “one ring to rule them all.” It actually
combines everything you need.
Gardner: Why
do companies need this now? What are the problems they’re facing that requires
one framework to rule them all?
Everyone, everything on the same page
Esler |
Using IT4IT is a good way to
see where your gaps are, what you are doing well, what you are not doing not so
well, and how to improve on that. It gives you a really good foundation on
knowing the business of IT.
Bennett: We
are hearing in the field is that IT departments are generally drowning at this
point. You have a myriad of factors, some of which are their fault and some of
which aren’t. The compliance world is getting nightmare-strict. The privacy
laws that are coming in are straining what are already resource-constrained
organizations. At the same time, budgets are being cut.
The other side of it is the
users are demanding more from IT, as a strategic element as opposed to simply a
support organization. As a result, they are drowning on a daily basis. Their
operating model is -- they are still running on wooden wheels. They have not
changed any of their foundational elements.
If your family has a spending
problem, you don’t stop spending, you go on a budget. You put in an Excel
spreadsheet, get all the data into one place, pull it together, and you figure
out what’s going on. Then you can execute change. That’s what we do from an IT
perspective. It’s simply getting everything in the same place, on the same page,
and talking the same language. Then we can start executing change to survive.
Gardner: Because
IT in the past could operate in silos, there would be specialization. Now we need
a team-sport approach. Mark, how does IT4IT help that?
Bodman: An
analogy is the medical profession. You have specialists, and you have generalist
doctors. You go to the generalist when you don’t really know where the problem
is. Then you go to a specialist with a very specific skill-set and the tools to
go deep. IT4IT has aimed at that generalist layer, then with pointers to the
specialists.
Gardner: IT4IT
has been available
since October 2015, which is a few years in the market. We are now seeing
different types of adoption patterns—from small- to medium-size businesses
(SMBs) and up to enterprises. What are some “rubber meets
the road” points, where the value is compelling and understood, that then
drive this deeper into the organization?
Where do you see IT4IT as an
accelerant to larger business-level improvements?
Success via stability
Vijaykumar |
Now you need stability from IT,
and IT needs to function with the same level of rigor as a bank or manufacturer.
If you look at those businesses, they have reference
architectures that span several decades. That stability was missing in IT,
and that is where IT4IT fills a gap -- we have come up with a reference
architecture.
What does that mean? When you
implement new tooling solutions or you come up with new enterprise
applications, you don’t need to rip apart and replace everything. You could still
use the same underlying architecture. You retain most of the things -- even when
you advance to a different solution. That is where a lot of value gets created.
Esler: One thing
you have to remember, too, is that this is not just about new stuff. It’s not just
about artificial
intelligence (AI), Internet of Things
(IoT), big data, and all of that kind of stuff -- the new, shiny stuff. There
is still a lot of old stuff out there that has to be managed in the same way. You
have to have a framework like IT4IT that allows you to have a hybrid
environment to manage it all.
Rossen: That
also goes back to the concept of multi-modal
IT. Some people say, “Okay, I have new tools for the new way of doing stuff,
and I keep my old tools for the old stuff.”
But, in the real world, these
things need to work together. The services depend on each other. If you have a new
smart banking application, and you still have a COBOL mainframe application that
it needs to communicate with, if you don’t have a single way of managing these
two worlds you cannot keep up with the necessary speed, stability, and security.
Gardner: One of
the things that impresses me about IT4IT is that any kind of organization can
find value and use it from the get-go. As a start-up, an SMB, Jerrod, where you
are seeing the value that IT4IT brings?
Solutions for any size business
Bennett |
But the SMBs have an
opportunity to get a lot more value because they can implement a lot more of
this a lot faster. They can even rip up the foundation and start over, a greenfield
approach. Most large organizations simply do not have that capability.
The same kind of change – like
in big data, how much data is going to be created in the next five years versus
the last five years? That’s universal, everyone is dealing with these problems.
Gardner: At
the other end of the scale, Mark, big multinational corporations with sprawling
IT departments and thousands of developers -- they need to rationalize, they
need to limit the number of tools, find a fit-for-purpose approach. How does
IT4IT help them?
Bodman: It
helps to understand which areas to rationalize first, that’s important because
you are not going to do everything at once. You are going to focus on your
biggest pain points.
The other element is the legacy element. You
can’t change everything at once. There are going to be bigger rocks, and then
smaller rocks. Then there are areas where you will see folks innovate,
especially when it comes to the DevOps, new languages, and new platforms that
you deploy new capabilities on.
What IT4IT allows is for you
to increasingly interchange those parts. A big value proposition of IT4IT is
standardizing those components and the interfaces. Afterward, you can change
out one component without disrupting the entire value chain.
Gardner: Rob, complexity
is inherent in IT. They have a lot on their plate. How does the IT4IT Reference
Architecture help them manage complexity?
Reference architecture connects everything
Akershoek |
Most organizations have
multiple teams working on different tools and components in a whole value
chain. I may have specialized people for security, monitoring, the service desk,
development, for risk and compliance, and for portfolio management. They tend
to optimize their own silo with their own practices. That’s what IT4IT can help
you with -- creating a bigger picture. Everything should be connected.
Esler: I
have used IT4IT to help get rid of those very same kinds of silos. I did it via
a workshop format. I took the reference architecture from IT4IT and I got a
certain number of people -- and I was very specific about the people I wanted --
in the room. In doing this kind of thing, you have to have the right people in
the room.
We had people for service management,
security, infrastructure, and networking -- just a whole broad range across IT.
We placed them around the table, and I took them through the IT4IT Reference Architecture.
As I described each of the words, which meant function, they began to talk among
themselves, to say, “Yes, I had a piece of that. I had this piece of this other
thing. You have a piece of that, and this piece of this.”
It started them thinking about
the larger functions, that there are groups performing not just the individual
pieces, like service management or infrastructure.
Gardner: IT4IT
then is not muscling out other aspects of IT, such as Information Technology Infrastructure Library (ITIL),
The Open Group Architecture Framework (TOGAF), and SAFe. Is there a harmonizing opportunity here?
How does IT4IT fit into a larger context among these other powerful tools, approaches,
and methodologies?
Rossen:
That’s an excellent question, especially given that a lot of people into SAFe might
say they don’t need IT4IT, that SAFe is solving their whole problem. But once
you get to discuss it, you see that SAFe doesn’t give you any recommendation about
how tools need to be connected to create the automated pipeline that SAFe
relies on. So IT4IT actually compliments SAFe very well. And that’s the same
story again and again with the other ones.
The IT4IT framework can help
bring those two things – ITIL and SAFe -- together without changing the IT organizations
using them. ITIL can still be relevant for the helpdesk, et cetera, and SAFe
can still function -- and they can collaborate better.
Gardner:
Varun, another important aspect to maturity and capability for IT organizations
is to become more DevOps-oriented. How does DevOps benefit from IT4IT? What’s
the relationship?
Go with the data flow
Vijaykumar: When
we talk about DevOps, typically organizations focus on the entire service
design lifecycle and how it moves into transition. But the relationship sometimes
gets lost between how a service gets conceptualized to how it is translated
into a design. We need to use IT4IT to establish traceability, to make sure
that all the artifacts and all the information basically flows through the
pipeline and across the IT value chain.
The way we position the IT4IT framework
to organizations and customers is very important. A lot of times people ask me,
“Is this going to replace ITIL?” Or, “How is it different from DevOps?”
The simplest way to answer those questions is to tell them that this is not something that provides a narrative guidance. It’s not a process framework, but rather an information framework. We are essentially prescribing the way data needs to flow across the entire IT value chain, and how information needs to get exchanged.
It defines how those integrations
are established. And that is vital to having an effective DevOps framework because
you are essentially relying on traceability to ensure that people receive the
right information to accept services, and then support those services once they
are designed.
Gardner: Let’s
think about successful adoption, of where IT4IT is compelling to the overall
business. Jerrod, among your customers where does IT4IT help them?
Holistic strategy benefits business
Bennett: I
will give an example. I hate the word, but “synergy” is all over this. Breaking
down silos and having all this stuff in one place -- or at least in one
process, one information framework -- helps the larger processes get better.
The classic example is Agile
development. Development runs in a silo, they sit in a black box generally,
in another building somewhere. Their entire methodology of getting more
efficient is simply to work faster.
So, they implement sprints, or
Agile, or scrum, or you name it. And what you recognize is they didn’t have a resource
problem, they had a throughput problem. The throughput problem can be slightly
solved using some of these methodologies, by squeezing a little bit more out of
their glides.
Credit: The Open Group |
But what you find, really, is they are developing the wrong thing. They don’t have a strategic element to their businesses. They simply develop whatever the heck they decide is important. Only now they develop it really efficiently. But the output on the other side is still not very beneficial to the business.
If you input a little bit of
strategy in front of that and get the business to decide what it is that they want
you to develop – then all of a sudden your throughput goes through the roof.
And that’s because you have broken down barriers and brought together the [major
business elements], and it didn’t take a lot. A little bit of demand management
with an approval process can make development 50 percent more efficient -- if
you can simply get them working on what’s important.
It’s not enough to continue to
stab at these small problems while no one has yet said, “Okay, timeout. There
is a lot more to this information that we need.” You can take inspiration from the
manufacturing crisis in the 1980s. Making an automobile engine conveyor
line faster isn’t going to help if you are building the wrong engines or you
can’t get the parts in. You have to view it holistically. Once you view it
holistically, you can go back and make the assembly lines work faster. Do that
and sky is the limit.
Gardner: SoIT4IT
helps foster “simultaneous IT operations,” a nice and modern follow-on to simultaneous
engineering innovations of the past.
Mark, you use IT4IT internally
at ServiceNow. How does IT4IT help ServiceNow be a better IT services company?
IT to create and consume products
Bodman: A lot
of the activities at ServiceNow are for creating the IT Service
Management (ITSM) products that we sell on the market, but we also consume
them. As a product manager, a lot of my job is interfacing with other product
managers, dealing with integration points, and having data discussions.
As we make the product better,
we automatically make our IT organization better because we are consuming it. Our
customer is our IT shop, and we deploy our products to manage our products. It’s
a very nice, natural, and recursive relationship. As the company gets better at
product management, we can get more products out there. And that’s the goal for
many IT shops. You are not creating IT for IT’s sake, you are creating IT to
provide products to your customers.
Gardner: Rob,
at Fruition Partners, a DXE company, you have many clients that use IT4IT. Do you
have a use case that demonstrates how powerful it can be?
Akershoek: Yes,
I have a good example of an insurance organization where they have been forced
to reduce significantly the cost to develop and maintain IT services.
Initially, they said, “Oh, we are
going to automate and monitor DevOps.” When I showed them IT4IT they said, “Well,
we are already doing that.” And I said, “Why don’t you have the results yet?
And they said, “Well, we are working on it, come back in three months.”
IT4IT saved time and created transparency. With that outcome they realized, "Oh, we would have never been able to achieve that if had continued the way we did it in the past."
But after that period of time,
they still were not succeeding with speed. We said, “Use IT4IT, take it to specific
application teams, and then move to cloud, in this case, Azure Cloud. Show that you can do
it end-to-end from strategy into an operation, end-to-end in three months’ time
and demonstrate that it works.”
And that’s what has been done,
it saved time and created transparency. With that outcome they realized, “Oh,
we would have never been able to achieve that if we had continued the way we
did it in the past.”
Gardner: John,
at HPE Pointnext, you are
involved with digital
transformation, the highest order of strategic endeavors and among the most
important for companies nowadays. When you are trying to transform an
organization – to become more digital, data-driven, intelligent, and responsive
-- how does IT4IT help?
Esler: When
companies do big, strategic things to try and become a digital enterprise, they
implement a lot of tools to help. That includes automation and orchestration
tools to make things go faster and get more services out.
But they forget about the
operating model underneath it all and they don’t see the value. A big drug
company I worked with was expecting a 30 percent cost reduction after
implementing such tools, and they didn’t get it. And they were scratching their
heads, asking, “Why?”
We went in and used IT4IT as a
foundation to help them understand where they needed change. In addition to using
some
tools that HPE has, that helped them to understand -- across different
domains, depending on the level of service they want to provide to their
customers -- what they needed to change. They were able to learn what that kind
of organization looks like when it’s all said and done.
Gardner: Lars,
Micro Focus has 4,000 to 5,000 developers and needs to put software out in a
timely fashion. How has IT4IT helped you internally to become a better development
organization?
Streamlining increases productivity
Rossen: We
used what is by now a standard technique in IT4IT, to do rationalization. Over a
year, we managed to convert it all into a single tool chain that 80 percent of
the developers are on.
With that we are now much more
agile in delivering products to market. We can do much more sharing. So instead
of taking a year, we can do the same easily every three months. But we also
have hot fixes and a change focus. We probably have 20 releases a day. And on
top of that, we can do a lot more sharing on components. We can align much more
to a common strategy around how all our products are being developed and
delivered to our customers. It’s been a massive change.
Gardner: Before
we close out, I’d like to think about the future. We have established that
IT4IT has backward compatibility, that if you are a legacy-oriented IT
department, the reference architecture for IT management can be very powerful
for alignment to newer services development and use.
But there are so many new
things coming on, such as AIOps, AI,
machine learning (ML),
and data-driven and analytics-driven business applications. We are also finding
increased hybrid
cloud and multi-cloud complexity across deployment models. And better managing
total costs to best operate across such a hybrid IT environment is also very
important.
So, let’s take a pause and
say, “Okay, how does IT4IT operate as a powerful influence two to three years
from now?” Is IT4IT something that provides future-proofing benefits?
The future belongs to IT4IT
Bennett:
Nothing is future-proof, but I would argue that we really needed IT4IT 20 years
ago -- and we didn’t have it. And we are now in a pretty big mess.
There is nothing magical here.
It’s been well thought-out and well-written, but there is nothing new in there.
IT4IT is how it ought to have been for a while and it took a group of people to
get together and sit down and architect it out, end-to-end.
Theoretically it could have been
done in the 1980s and it would still be relevant because they were doing the same
thing. There isn’t anything new in IT, there are lots of new-fangled toys. But that’s
all just minutia. The foundation hasn’t changed. I would argue that in 2040 IT4IT
will still be relevant.
Gardner:
Varun, do you feel that organizations that adopt IT4IT are in a better position
to grow, adapt, and implement newer technologies and approaches?
Vijaykumar: Yes,
definitely, because IT4IT – although it caters to the traditional IT operating
models -- also introduces a lot of new concepts that were not in existence
earlier. You should look at some of the concepts like service brokering,
catalog aggregation, and bringing in the role of a service integrator. All of
these are things that may have been in existence, but there was no real
structure around them.
IT4IT provides a consolidated
framework for us to embrace all of these capabilities and to drive improvements
in the industry. Coupled with advances in computing -- where everything gets
delivered on the fly – and where end users and consumers expect a lot more out
of IT, I think IT4IT helps in that direction as well.
Gardner: Lars,
looking to the future, how do you think IT4IT will be appreciated by a highly
data-driven organization?
Rossen: Well,
IT4IT was a data architecture to begin with. So, in that sense it was the first
time that IT itself got a data architecture that was generic. Hopefully that
gives it a long future.
I also like to think about it
as being like roads we are building. We now have the roads to do whatever we
want. Eventually you stop caring about it, it’s just there. I hope that 20
years from now nobody will be discussing this, they will just be doing it.
The data model advantage
Gardner:
Another important aspect to running a well-greased IT organization -- despite
the complexity and growing responsibility -- is to be better organized and to better
understand yourself. That means having better data models about IT. Do you think
that IT4IT-oriented shops have an advantage when it comes to better data models
about IT?
Bodman: Yes,
absolutely. One of the things we just produced within the [IT4IT reference
architecture data model] is a reporting capability for key performance
indicators (KPI) guidance. We are now able to show what kinds of KPIs you can
get from the data model -- and be very prescriptive about it.
In the past there had been
different camps and different ways of measuring and doing things. Of course,
it’s hard to benchmark yourself comprehensively that way, so it’s really
important to have consistency there in a way that allows you to really improve.
In the past there had been different camps and different ways of measuring and doing things. It's hard to benchmark yourself that way. It's really important to have consistency in a way that allows you to really improve.
The second part -- and this is
something new in IT4IT that is fundamental -- is the value stream has a “request
to fulfill (R2F)” capability. It’s now possible to have a top-line, self-service
way to engage with IT in a way that’s in a catalog and that is easy to consume
and focused on a specific experience. That’s an element that has been missing. It
may have been out there in pockets, but now it’s baked in. It’s just fabric,
taught in schools, and you just basically implement it.
Rossen: The new
R2F capability allows an IT organization to transform, from being a cost center
that does what people ask, to becoming a service provider and eventually a
service broker, which is where you really want to be.
Esler: I
started in this industry in the mainframe days. The concept of shared services
was prevalent, so time-sharing, right? It’s the same thing. It hasn’t really changed.
It’s evolved and going through different changes, but the advent of the PC in
the 1980s didn’t change the model that much.
Now with hyperconvergence,
it’s moving back to that mainframe-like thing where you define a machine by
software. You can define
a data center by software.
Gardner: For
those listening and reading and who are intrigued by IT4IT and would like to
learn more, where can they go and find out more about where the rubber meets the
IT road?
Akershoek: The
best way is going to The Open Group
website. There’s a lot of information on the reference architecture itself,
case studies, and video materials.
How to get started is
typically you can do that very small. Look at the materials, try to understand
how you currently operate your IT organization, and plot it to the reference
architecture.
That provides an immediate sense
of what you may be missing, are duplicating areas, or have too much going on
without governance. You can begin to create a picture of your IT organization.
That’s the first step to try to create or co-create with your own organization
a bigger picture and decide where you want to go next.
Gardner: I’m
afraid we will have to leave it there. You have been listening to a sponsored
BriefingsDirect discussion on how the IT4IT[tm] Reference Architecture for IT
management creates demonstrated business benefits – in many ways across many
types of organizations. And we’ve learned a variety of ways that IT4IT defines, sources, and manages services across the IT
function’s value stream to its stakeholders.
So please join me in thanking
our panelists:
- Lars Rossen, Fellow at Micro Focus, in Copenhagen;
- Mark Bodman, Senior Product Manager at ServiceNow, in Austin;
- John Esler, Client Principal at Hewlett Packard Enterprise Pointnext, in Denver;
- Rob Akershoek, IT Architect at Fruition Partners, a DXC Technology Company, in Amsterdam;
- Varun Vijaykumar, Associate General Manager and ITSM Architect at HCL Technologies, in Raleigh-Durham, and
- Jerrod Bennett, CEO and Co-Founder at Dreamtsoft, in San Diego.
And a big thank you as well to
our audience for joining this BriefingsDirect modern digital business
innovation discussion. I’m Dana Gardner, Principal Analyst at Interarbor
Solutions, your host throughout the series of BriefingsDirect discussions
sponsored by The Open Group.
Thanks again for listening.
Please pass this on to your IT community and do come back next time.
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