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Dana Gardner: Hello,
and welcome to the next edition of the BriefingsDirect Voice of the Analyst podcast
series. I’m Dana Gardner,
Principal Analyst at Interarbor Solutions, your
host and moderator for this ongoing discussion on successful digital
transformation.
Gardner |
This hybrid IT strategies
interview explores how new maturity in the management and composition of multiple
facets of IT -- from cloud to bare-metal, from serverless to legacy systems -- amount
to a culmination of 30 years of IT evolution.
We’ll hear now from an IT
industry analyst about why – for perhaps the first time -- we’re able to gain
an uber-view over all of IT operations. And we’ll explore how increased automation
over complexity such as hybrid and multicloud deployments sets the stage for artificial
intelligence (AI) in IT operations, or AIOps.
It may mean finally mastering IT
heterogeneity and giving businesses the means to truly manage how they govern
and sustain all of their digital business assets.
Here to help us define the new state of total IT management is Martin Hingley, President and Market Analyst at ITCandor Limited, based in Oxford, UK. Welcome, Martin.
Martin Hingley: Hi,
Dana.
Gardner: Looking
back at IT operations, it seems that we have added a lot of disparate and hard-to-manage
systems – separately and in combination -- over the past 30 years. Now, with infrastructure
delivered as services and via hybrid deployment
models, we might need to actually conquer
the IT heterogeneity complexity beast – or at least master it, if
not completely slay it.
Do you agree that we’re
entering a new era in the evolution of IT operations and approaching the need to
solve management comprehensively, over all of IT?
More change, yet more of the same
Hingley: I
have been an IT industry analyst for 35 years, and it’s always been the same. Each
generation of systems comes in and takes over from the last, which has always
left operators with the problem of trying to manage the new with the
old.
Hingley |
A big shift was the client/server
model in the late 1980s and early 1990s, with the influx of PC
servers and the wonderful joy of having all these new systems. The problem was
that you couldn’t manage them under the same regime. And we have seen a
continuous development of that problem over time.
It’s also a different problem
depending on the size of organization. Small- to medium-sized (SMB) companies can
at least get by with bundled systems that work fine and use Microsoft
operating systems. But the larger organizations generate a huge mixture of
resources.
Cloud hasn’t helped. Cloud
is very different from your internal IT stuff -- the way you program it, the way
you develop applications. It has a wonderful cost proposition; at least
initially. It has a scalability proposition. But
now, of course, these companies have to deal with all of this [heterogeneity].
Now, it would be wonderful if
we get to a place where we can look at all of these resources. A starting point
is to think about things as a service catalog, at the center of your corporate
apps. And people are beginning that as a theory, even if it doesn’t sit in
everybody’s brain.
So, you
start to be able to compose all of this stuff. I like what Hewlett
Packard Enterprise (HPE) is doing [with composable infrastructure].
… We are now getting to the point where you can do it, if you are clever. Some
people will, but it’s a difficult, complex subject.
Gardner: The idea
of everything-as-a-service gives you the opportunity to bring in new tools. Because
organizations are trying to transform themselves digitally -- and the cloud has
forced them to think about operations and development in tandem -- they must identify
the most efficient mix of cloud and on-premises deployments.
They also have to adjust to a
lack of skills by automating and trying to boil out the complexity. So, as you
say, it’s difficult.
But if 25 percent of companies
master this, doesn’t that put them in a position of being dominant? Don’t they
gain an advantage over the people who don’t?
Hingley: Yes,
but my warning from history is this. With mainframes,
we thought we had it all sorted out. We didn’t. We soon had client/server, and
then mini-computers with those UNIX systems, all with
their own virtualizations and all that wonderful stuff. You could isolate the
data in one partition from application data from a different application. We
had all of that, and then along comes the x86 server.
How to Remove Complexity
From Multi-cloud
And Hybrid IT
From Multi-cloud
And Hybrid IT
It’s an architectural issue
rather than a technology issue. Now we have cloud, which is very different from
the on-premises stuff. My warning is let’s not try and lock things down with
technology. Let’s think about it as architecture. If we can do that, maybe we
can accommodate neuromorphic and photonic and quantum computing within this
regime in the future. Remember, the people who really thought they had it
worked out in previous generations found out that they really hadn’t. Things moved
on.
Gardner: And
these technology and architectural transitions have occurred more frequently
and accelerated in impact, right?
Beyond the cloud, IT is life
Hingley: I
have been thinking about this quite a lot. It’s a weird thing to say, but I don’t
think “cloud” is a good name anymore. I mean, if you are a software company,
you’d be an idiot if you didn’t make your products available as a service.
Every company in the world
uses the cloud at some level. Basically there is no longer choice about whether
we use a cloud. All those companies that thought they didn’t, when people
actually looked, found they were using the cloud a lot in different departments
across the organization. So it’s a challenge, yet things constantly change.
If you look 20 years in the
future, every single physical device we use will have some level of compute built
into it. I don’t think people like you and I are going to be paid lots of money
for talking about IT as if it were a separate issue.
It is the world economy, it just
is; so, it becomes about how well you manage everything together.
If you look 20 years in the future, every single physical device we use will have some level of compute built into it. ... It becomes the world economy. It becomes about how well you manage everything together.
Gardner: A tandem
trend to composability is that more-and-more
data becomes available. At the edge, smart homes, smart cities, and
also smarter data centers. So, we’re talking about data from every device in
the data center through the network to the end devices, and back again. We can even
determine how the users consume the services better and better.
We have a plethora of IT ops data
that we’re only starting to mine for improving how IT manages itself. And as we
gain a better trail of all of that data, we can apply machine learning (ML)
capabilities, to see the trends, optimize, and become more intelligent about
automation. Perhaps we let the machines run the machines. At least that’s the vision.
Do you think that this data
capability has pushed us to a new point of manageability?
Data’s exploding, now what?
Hingley: A
jetliner flying across the Atlantic creates 5TB of data; each one. And how many
fly across the Atlantic every day? Basically you need techniques to pick out
the valuable bits of data, and you can’t do it with people. You have to use AI and
ML.
The other side is, of course, that
data can be dangerous. We see with the European Union (EU) passing the General
Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), saying it’s a citizens’ right
within the EU to have privacy protected and data associated with them protected.
So, we have all sorts of interesting things going on.
The data is exploding. People
aren’t filtering it properly. And then we have potential things like autonomous
cars, which are going to create massive amounts of data. Think about the
security implications, somebody hacking into your system while you are doing 70
miles an hour on a motorway.
I always use the parable of
the seeds. Remember that some seeds fall on fallow ground, some fall in the
middle of the field. For me, data is like that. You need to work out which bits
of it you need to use, you need to filter it in order to get some reasonable
stuff out of it, and then you need to make sure that whatever you are doing is
legal. I mean, it’s got to be fun.
How to Remove Complexity
From Multi-cloud
And Hybrid IT
From Multi-cloud
And Hybrid IT
Gardner: If
businesses are tasked with this massive and growing data management problem, it
seems to me they ought to get their IT house in order. That means across a vast
heterogeneity of systems, deployments, and data types. That should happen in
order to master the data equation for your lines of business applications and
services.
How important is it then for
AIOps -- applying AI principles to the operations of your data centers – to
emerge sooner rather than later?
You can handle the truth
Hingley: You
have to do it. If you look at GDPR or Sarbanes-Oxley
before that, the challenge is that you need a single version of the truth. Lots
of IT organizations don’t have a single version of the truth.
If they are subpoenaed to
supply every email that it has the word “Monte Carlo” in it, they couldn’t do
it. There are probably 25 copies of all the emails. There’s no way of organizing
it. So data governance is hugely important, it’s not nice to have, it’s
essential to have. Under new regulations coming, and it’s not just EU, GDPR is
being adopted in lots of countries.
It’s essential to get your own
house in order. And there’s so much data in your organization that you are
going to have to use AI and ML to be able to manage it. And it has to go into
IT Ops. I don’t think it’s a choice, I don’t think many people are there yet. I
think it’s nonetheless a must do.
Gardner: We’ve
heard recently from HPE about the concept of a Composable
Cloud, and that includes elevating software-defined
networking (SDN) to a manageability benefit. This helps create a
common approach to the deployment of cloud, multi-cloud, and hybrid-cloud.
It’s essential that you get your house in order. And there's so much data in your organization that you are going to have to use AI and ML to be able to manage it. And it has to go into IT Ops.
Hingley: I like
what HPE is doing, in particular the mixing of the different resources. You
also have the HPE GreenLake
model underneath, so you can pay for only what you use. By the way, I have been
an analyst for 35 years, if every time the industry started talking about the
need to move from CAPEX to OPEX had actually shifted, we would have been at 200
percent OPEX by now.
In the bad times, we move
toward OPEX. In the good times, we secretly creep back toward CAPEX because it
has financial advantages. You have to be able to mix all of these together, as
HPE is doing.
Moreover,
in terms of the architecture, the network fabric approach, the software-defined
approach, the API connections, these are essential to move forward. You have to
get beyond point products. I hope that HPE -- and maybe couple of other vendors
-- will propose something that’s very useful and that helps people sort this
new world out.
How to Remove Complexity
From Multi-cloud
And Hybrid IT
From Multi-cloud
And Hybrid IT
Gardner: I’m
afraid we will have to leave it here. We have been exploring how new levels of maturity
and composability have the opportunity to attain a culmination of 30 years of pan-IT
management evolution. And we have learned how gaining an uber-view of IT might
finally lead to automation
and optimization across multi-cloud, hybrid cloud, and legacy IT
assets as well.
So, please join me in thanking
our guest, Martin Hingley, President and Market Analyst at ITCandor Limited in
Oxford, UK. Thank you, sir.
Hingley: No problem,
thank you.
Gardner: And a
big thank you as well to our audience for joining us for this BriefingsDirect
Voice of the Analyst hybrid IT management strategies interview. I’m Dana
Gardner; Principal Analyst at Interarbor Solutions, your host for this ongoing
series of Hewlett Packard Enterprise sponsored discussions.
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of a discussion on how new maturity in management over all facets of
IT amounts to a culmination of 30 years of IT operations improvement and
ushers in an era of comprehensive automation, orchestration, and AIOps. Copyright Interarbor
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